Next week, the U.S. House of Representatives will be voting on an historic repeal of the Obamacare law. While there are many reasons to oppose this flawed government health insurance law, it is important to remember that Obamacare is also one of the largest tax increases in American history. Below is a comprehensive list of the two dozen new or higher taxes that pay for Obamcare’s expansion of government spending and interference between doctors and patients.
Individual Mandate Excise Tax(Jan 2014): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following:
1 Adult
2 Adults
3+ Adults
2014
1% AGI/$95
1% AGI/$190
1% AGI/$285
2015
2% AGI/$325
2% AGI/$650
2% AGI/$975
2016 +
2.5% AGI/$695
2.5% AGI/$1390
2.5% AGI/$2085
Exemptions for religious objectors, undocumented immigrants, prisoners, those earning less than the poverty line, members of Indian tribes, and hardship cases (determined by HHS)
IMAGINE THAT ILLEGAL ALIENS WILL BE COVERED WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY ANYTHING OR PAY ANY PENALTIES!!!!!
Employer Mandate Tax(Jan 2014): If an employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $2000 for all full-time employees. This provision applies to all employers with 50 or more employees. If any employee actually receives coverage through the exchange, the penalty on the employer for that employee rises to $3000. If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer).
Combined score of individual and employer mandate tax penalty: $65 billion/10 years
Surtax on Investment Income ($123 billion/Jan. 2013): This increase involves the creation of a new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single). This would result in the following top tax rates on investment income
Capital Gains
Dividends
Other*
2010
15%
15%
35%
2011-2012 (current law)
20%
39.6%
39.6%
2011-2012 (Obama budget)
20%
20%
39.6%
2013+ (current law)
23.8%
43.4%
43.4%
2013+ (Obama budget)
23.8%
23.8%
43.4%
*Other unearned income includes (for surtax purposes) gross income from interest, annuities, royalties, net rents, and passive income in partnerships and Subchapter-S corporations. It does not include municipal bond interest or life insurance proceeds, since those do not add to gross income. It does not include active trade or business income, fair market value sales of ownership in pass-through entities, or distributions from retirement plans. The 3.8% surtax does not apply to non-resident aliens.
Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans($32 bil/Jan 2018): Starting in 2018, new 40 percent excise tax on “Cadillac” health insurance plans ($10,200 single/$27,500 family). For early retirees and high-risk professions exists a higher threshold ($11,500 single/$29,450 family). CPI +1 percentage point indexed.
Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax($86.8 bil/Jan 2013): Current law and changes:
First $200,000
($250,000 Married)
Employer/Employee
All Remaining Wages
Employer/Employee
Current Law
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
Obamacare Tax Hike
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
1.45%/2.35%
3.8% self-employed
Medicine Cabinet Tax($5 bil/Jan 2011): Americans no longer able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin)
HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike($1.4 bil/Jan 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.
Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka“Special Needs Kids Tax”($13 bil/Jan 2013): Imposes cap of $2500 (Indexed to inflation after 2013) on FSAs (now unlimited). . There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education.
Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers($20 bil/Jan 2013): Medical device manufacturers employ 360,000 people in 6000 plants across the country. This law imposes a new 2.3% excise tax. Exemptions include items retailing for less than $100.
Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI($15.2 bil/Jan 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction for medical expenses to the extent that those expenses exceed 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). The new provision imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI; it is waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only.
Tax on Indoor Tanning Services($2.7 billion/July 1, 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons
Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D($4.5 bil/Jan 2013)
Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike($0.4 bil/Jan 2010): The special tax deduction in current law for Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies would only be allowed if 85 percent or more of premium revenues are spent on clinical services
Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals(Min$/immediate): $50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new "community health assessment needs," "financial assistance," and "billing and collection" rules set by HHS
Tax on Innovator Drug Companies($22.2 bil/Jan 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year.
Tax on Health Insurers($60.1 bil/Jan 2014): Annual tax on the industry imposed relative to health insurance premiums collected that year. The stipulation phases in gradually until 2018, and is fully-imposed on firms with $50 million in profits.
$500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives($0.6 bil/Jan 2013)
Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2(Min$/Jan 2011): Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns.
Corporate 1099-MISC Information Reporting($17.1 bil/Jan 2012): Requires businesses to send 1099-MISC information tax forms to corporations (currently limited to individuals), a huge compliance burden for small employers
“Black liquor” tax hike(Tax hike of $23.6 billion). This is a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel.
Codification of the “economic substance doctrine”(Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks “substance” and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed.
Comments
This is great. The bill will be paid for and 30 million people will have coverage that never had it before. Not to mention no more cap on benefits or pre-existing conditions.
>> Joel
EDITORIAL COMMENT FOR JOEL...JOEL YOU ARE A RAVING MORON THAT DOES NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT HOW "INSURANCE WORKS", YOU ARE A BIG DUMMY. If there are no caps, there can never be a CAP on your premiums either...you dummy. The insurance companies can charge whatever they need to to make their numbers work, do you not understand that??? They have to spend 85% on care, and after that they will charge YOU more you dummy to make up the difference. You must be a student of our public "edumucation" system.
I was going through family files at the end of the year, readying for the new tax year. I noticed that our medical file was by far the largest of all records we must keep. We are not sick people, rarely visit the doctor, and do not rely on any prescription drugs. It is proof that the government already has too much control over the delivery of medical services. I have had enough; give us our freedom and let the free market do what it does better than government.
>> L. Holloway
STOP this crazy Health Bill NOW......
>> Dr Robert Danneman
Not with MY money, Joel. Move to Canada if you want socialized medicine, pal.
>> Rich
So,illegal aliens and prisoners get an exemption but hardworking taxpayers are given the shaft.... as usual. Sure wish my two tone-deaf senators from Virginia would start listening to their constituents for a change and vote to repeal this disaster.
>> RealityBites
Is there any wonder why Obama and drones have a 30-40% approval rating...in all types of polls? I went to school for 12 extra years to pay for a high school dropout so he can have his methadone paid for? My sacrifice goes to pay for dinglebats like Joel who are so entrenched in their 'Entitlement Money' way of thinking...
>> Ben
Looters and thieves. I especially liked the Surtax = Sell your house and the thugs in Washington take 3.8% from you, and if you do not pay they will send the IRS with guns to take it from you. LOOTERS. Start the chant now: RESIST THE LOOTERS!!!!
>> Dagney
If you aren't doing anything to keep this healthcare reform sham from continuing, then stop complaining. Also, if you voted for Obama, stop complaining - you got who you voted for.
>> Joe
Did King Barry, Leader Harry and Princess Nancy mention any of these taxes when they were pushing their Healthcare bill down our throats? Well we know Princess Nancy didn't because she told us we wouldn't know what was in the bill until it was passed, that way saving us from all the worry about reading the 2,000 plus pages. Long live the King! He is taking us down the path to destruction, blaming it all on others, forbidding us to drill for oil and smiling with his Arab cronies as oil prices rise and rise and rise.
>> Kimdi01
Joel, those 30 million people will now have coverage because they are forced to buy it using their own money. Or more accurately, they will not be purchasing health insurance and take the mandate tax until they are sick, which is going to severely damage insurance companies. Since when did congress have the right to tell businesses how much their CEOs can earn? Where is that in the constitution? Don't say commerce clause, as that is a total crock of feces. How about inter-state insurance purchasing? THAT would be covered by the commerce clause, if congress cared about the actual costs.
>> Ignoramous
Won't happen. Americans will not buy something the govt tells them they must buy. Enforcement won't happen either. Americans will find ways around it. Real Americans, (not welfare lifers), are far too smart to get cornered by a corrupt government.
>> Mike
Note to Joel: Look at what the government record is- #1 Bankrupted Social Security- 3 people now pay in to cover 1 person. This is an unsustainable ponzi scheme. In the free market people go to jail for this. #2 Bankrupted Medicare and Medicaid- Now paid for with money stolen from the so-called Social security trust Fund #3 Government Employee Pensions- Bankrupted #4 The Post Office - Bankrupted They say this "program" creates a budget surplus. They are taxing us 10 years to pay for 6 years of services. Why do you think that is? What happens when you look at a year of taxes to pay for a year of services? It's quite a bit higher isn't it? And it certainly is not a surplus.
>> Alan
10% Tax on tanning booths? Unless some race other than Caucasians uses tanning booths this is clearly a racist, Obama tax.
>> Danbury
No wonder the Left came after Palin, Limbaugh and all conservatives this week with libel and lies connecting them to the Tucson massacre. They were obviously hoping to divert our attention from debate over these looming and onerous tax hikes! Don't anyone go to sleep now that there was one victory in November. Don't be commanded to be "civil" (code word for censored). We need to take our country back!
>> John Friday
Fight in 2012!
>> Leroy Friday
Thank God, I did not vote for this guy. People get what they deserve when they don't take the time to think.
>> Gary
Wow, undocumented, ie illegal aliens exempt. Another example how liberals are punishing the legal residents by spreading the wealth to the illegals. We need to throw them all out. This country is failing, while China is rising. The best days of America are GONE!
>> Mike Crystal
Why don't you make it more complicated than it already is? I am not an accountant. Give me a break. Why don't you make it simple so we can understand it?
>> Lawrence A. Tubbiolo
THEY WILL ALSO CHARGE YOU 3.8% ON THE SALE OF YOUR HOME. WHERE IS THAT IN YOUR ARTICLE
>> JAY BURKE
If this lurch into socialism is allowed to stand you will get to see how the third world lives...up close and personal.
>> Pompey
hang em high
>> Deepak
Everyone is missing the BIG enchilada here. The NHS (UK's health service)...which Obamacare is modeled after...employs 1.2 million people (about 75% of which are administrators), which equates to 1 admin per 40 citizens. In the US, that would mean employing 7.5million administrators! At average gov't wage of $70k, that's over $500billion per year in wage disbursements at taxpayer expense! And, of course, they will unionize and demand higher wages as the program progresses. It won't be long before it's $1trillion per year!! The BIG wealth transfer is hidden here. Repeal the bill NOW!!!!!
>> GoodGolly
Don't trust the Government? They ripped off Social Security for 2.5 TRILLION. Hasn't the Government earned your trust? The Obamacare is the death of our freedom of choice! And the ironic part it that Obama is not even a citizen! You got no "President", What you got is a pretender who can't wait to steal your rights and your money!
>> Mark
You had a choice, you voted for it, now spend the rest of your life behaving like EUROPEANS AND FIND WAYS TO MAKE MONEY WITHOUT PAYING ANYTHING. ANYONE WHO IS CAPABLE OF EARNING $200-250,000 PER YEAR WILL FIND A WAY TO EARN IT IN A PLACE WHERE THEY LET YOU KEEP IT
>> Gregario
...to continue my rant...the NHS is the third largest employment ‘agency’ on the planet behind the Chinese Red Army and India’s national railway service. All things being equal, a US socialized health system would, conservatively, employ about 7 million people (vaulting it into first place!). Each voting cycle, Dems and Repubs will be tripping over themselves to get this voting block in their corner. And, how do they do this you ask? Well, they promise higher wages and lavish pension plans for these folks. And who’s paying for that? We are! Higher taxes. Worse health care. Massive rationing. Unbelievable nightmare. REPEAL NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> GoodGolly
For all of you "dying for" socialized medicine (and you will be dying) I have a real time story of how bad it is. I work in an ER near an airport. Family from England lands with a daughter crying because of a headache. Come to ER, and have a CAT scan in 30 minutes. Father say "She's had headaches like this for over a year and we've been on a CAT scan waiting list for a year, wondering if she had a tumor, and in 30 minutes she has a CAT scan in the US? And you Americans want OUR health care?"
>> Paul
I currently have health insurance through my employer. When the mandate kicks in I will drop my coverage. Since at that point they wont be able to deny pre-existing conditions I will not have coverage unless I get sick. I will then get coverage until I am done with whatever treatment I need when I will again drop my coverage. And they wont be able to punish me because the punishment is a tax that can really only be collected from people who are owed a refund. Since I pay taxes every year I simply wont pay the extra tax. The law prohibits them from throwing me in jail for not not paying and it prohibits them from adding further fines, penalties and interest.
>> Brian
This Tax hike is only bad for the people with jobs, by 2014 there won't be many of those folks left.
>> Marcus
"The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury.” ~ George Washington http://911essentials.com
>> Aunt Bee
People have lost focus, there is a government run health care system in place already. It's the VA, and look how good of job the government runs that. And if you need any clarification ask anyone in the military.
>> Michael
Thank goodness this is going to be repealed...if not now then after 2012..hopefully before it gets it's claws further into our government.....It's great to know we finally have people in congress who have the power to fight this.....Can you imagine if Pelosi was still running the House???....It gives me the shivers!!..
>> Bob
Makes me smile only for a second when I hear people complaining about Obamacare. I sure do wish people would have made an effort to find out what Obama was all about BEFORE the election. I hope the repubs can muster up enough momentum to repeal this huge steaming pile of bull manure, I won't be suprised if they don't though. Here we are getting INTO socialized medicine and the european are going towards getting OUT of socialized medicine because it don't work. On top of that, Obamacare was patterned after Michigan's already failed system. I just SMHL.
>> Harold
That last one. Folks really need to read that one carefully. It gives the IRS the power to deem that your deductions do not apply as you're just trying to reduce your tax obligation. Think about it.
>> LeRoy
Margi, Health Insurance and Heath care are two totaly separate things. EVERYONE can get health care FREE by waking into any hospital, but the productive, and responsible members of our society go to the expense and effort of obtaining insurance to help pay the bills, instead of stiffing the hospital. I understand that there are poorer people in our society that cannot provide for themselves, but dragging the country into a socialist model only guarantees all of us, including you, a much lower quality of care. Disagree? Point out a successful gvt run system anywhere else in the world that does not take more from the citizens than it gives.
>> Opie
Margi, these people are not entitled to my money. These people are victims of welfare. Get rid of welfare, get the government out of our way and these people will find ways to survive. By the way, I'm from Massachusetts and Romney Care is bankrupting our state.
>> Paul Hickey
This mess of a bill is based on just so many lies. How could so many people far for it?! Repeal now, impeach next!
>> Jon Carry
Worst. President. Ever. Time he was removed from power, as the Libs say, "By any means necessary".
>> LibsAreCommies
MARGI - i agree. We are better than this. We are BETTER than this government atrocity! I am all FOR helping the poor and disadvantaged. I assume most Americans are, but this bill is a total horror. Case in point: in 2009, Texas enacted massive TORT reform. Since then, the # of doctors moving to the state has nearly tripled and the health costs have been cut by nearly 40%. In fact, Texas now has THOUSANDS of applicants for doctors who want to move there and practice. Why in the world did this Obama-nightmare-care bill not have TORT reform first and foremost??? Well, in the words of Howard Dean: "Congress would rather take on the insurance companies than the lawyer lobby"
>> GoodGolly
And just think..he stopped ALL oil drilling for Americans but Cuba/China start drilling next week in Florida Gulf..he just killed the biggest COAL contract in US history!!-thx Lisa Jackson (EPA)..he talks, smiles then behind the scenes he stabs Americans in the back!! Now $1B to run for office again!!! WOW--they LOVE that POWER over US. OBAMACARE sucks!!! DEMO-RATS have destroyed everything good..for our grandchildren!!IMPEACH!!! ALL of THEM!! GET RID of liberal media!!!
>> Saxton
Page 360 of Obamacare (HR 4872) states that the US Govt and Insurance Companies will be forced to pay for physician assisted suicides. If forced onto my medical practice I will immigrate to another county elsewhere.
>> Doc Ed
A service/skill perfomed by an individual is now a 'right' for all. Intersting.
>> Sean
Impeach first... Then Repeal. IRS will disallow deductions that reduce tax liability... What MOR0N gave them that ability? The only reason for the deductions is to reduce your taxes! So the IRS is working against the Tax Code!!
>> James Wood
Socialized medicine like Britain or even Canada is not a reasonable model by any standard... notice the whiners that post their love for socialized medicine do not address the many taxes... as usual, liberals (aka secular socialists) are the worst at debate or reality. They never stop pushing OzLand policies that have failed worldwide. Why? They must be the dumbest humans God ever made.
>> The Reelman
I just looked up ONE of the things they will be taxing "black liquor" guess what it is something that 80% of the paper companies use to POWER their plants.. it is the waste from making paper.. So it appears that Now Obama is taxing actual GREEN tech. since the power it creates to run it's plants is STEAM.. So now there will be NO full time jobs available and Obama has made it more appealing to hire Illegals..
>> HPS
Clueless Joel Friday, January 14, 2011 1:10 PM says "This is great. The bill will be paid for and 30 million people will have coverage that never had it before. Not to mention no more cap on benefits or pre-existing conditions. >> The aircraft is going down in flames but let me get you another pillow Joel so you are more comfortable!
>> BraceForImpact_
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
>> supersniffy
First Obama said it wasn't a tax (in order to keep a campaign promise.) Then in court, his Administration insisted it is a tax. What is it, Mr. President. Is it a tax? Yes or No?
>> Tastes Like Chicken
Joel, the democrat leaders love people like you. They simply love you. You will believe what you want to believe so they will tell you what you want to hear. There is a ZERO chance that this "program" will pay for itself. ZERO.
>> Gary
As to Joel, there are not anywhere near 30 million uninsured who want government health care. Probably closer to 8 million. Just giving them a Blue Cross Blue Shield policy would by 1/10 of what Obamacare costs. As to the the concerned home health nurse. Same answer. Those who are truly needy after the billions we all spend on medicaid, medicare fraud, and illegals getting health care, could still be covered at a fraction of the cost of Obamacare. Obamacare is not about helping the truly needy. We Americans will take it upon ourselves to do that when we know what is needed. It is about power and control.
>> Alan
Having read all this, I never again want to hear, " we have to pass this bill so we can see what's in it". Our Republic is in mortal danger, and as Thomas Jefferson said, "out republic must occasionally be refreshed by the blool of tyrants and patriots". As Patrick Henry said, "is life so sweet or peace so dear as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?" We must take back our government, peacefully if at all possible, but take it back nevertheless.
>> Sam
Democrats did all this in secret. This Socialism Scam is all their fault. This will ruin the "world's best medical system". Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid should be held accountable. We need Congressional Hearing on this travesty.
>> Oh Grovert
Let me understand. Obamacare is covering 30 Million who weren't covered? How many aren't covered by choice? How many aren't covered because of legal status? Of the aforementioned, how many simply haven't applied? Nobody is refused care. Obama says all rates are going down because everyone is now covered. But wait, the latest is "of course rates are going up, you're adding 30 Mil to the rolls". We have to add 16K+ IRS agents to the already bloated gov't. payroll to "enforce" insurance laws? I'm very confused. Final question: If an Obamacare patron has an abortion (I know its legal), would that not be income tax evasion, as the law is written?
>> Kelly
Un friggin believable. Actually, it's quite believable with O in office
>> Magnus13
@teapartyamerican1776: you mention 'collecting govt welfare (medicare, soc programs are not govt welfare..they are programs that we have been forced to pay into for many years, with the govt's promise of receiving benefits in our senior years. It is not welfare to those that have paid for it, but I'm sure you knew that and only want to antagonize the honest, hardworking taxpayers. By the way, you do realize the govt skims trillions of dollars from these programs for whatever they want...It is theft in my opinion and those funds should be lockboxed.
>> Fossey
Joel, If you're so pleased with being screwed by this boondoggle, perhaps you would be willing to take over my part of the payment for it as well, ya liberal putz.
>> 1GregM
The tax increases with health care for all are inevitable. Unfortunately Canadians and politicians are quickly beginning to realize that universal health care is unsustainable. In 2010 the premier of Ontario stated that 46% of the budget was allocated to health care expenses. The real stinging admission is that health care expenses are projected to increase to 70% in 12 years! This kind of increase is unsustainable and run the rest of the provinces services. What are the options? Reduced services - health care - other services - increased taxes. For our neighbors to the south, please be careful what you wish. http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/844586--mcguinty-urges-provinces-to-join-forces-on-drug-regimes
>> Canuck
Reelman said: ". notice the whiners that post their love for socialized medicine do not address the many taxes..." The liberals who think this pile of crap called ObamaCare is so wonderful are those who for the most part don't pay taxes as they are the welfare bums who sit around with their hand out wanting the rest of the working people to pay for their stupidity and laziness.
>> Buzz
These taxes are minuscule, and most of them only affect 250K+ earners. Big deal. I am looking forward to the new health plan, and the better coverage for all, and bye bye pre existing condition denials.
>> Eric
Joel is a sickeningly deluded Democrat. The comment about 30 million newly covered is a joke... what happened to the 48 million number all the Democrats used to throw around? Also, HIPAA (enacted back in the 90s)dramatically rolled back the rule about pre-exisiting condition exclusions quite a long time ago. So when this President talks about fixing "pre-ex" I can't help but wince at his blatent dishonesty. If Congress was serious about pre-ex they could have enacted a more precise, HIPAA II type legislative approach and incrementally improved coverage rather than gut a private care system, that while certainly imperfect, served the vast majority beautifully -- and much better than what the saps in the rest of the world receive.
>> Dennis Fisher
repeal.....
>> Don Grimes
So, the new CEO of Duke Power will be making 8 million per year and an health insurance executive may make only 500 K??
>> VaughnHathawayt
All those in favor of Obamacare, if these market based incentives are to entice people into buying their own healthcare at their own expense, did you not stop to wonder where they are spending the money they collect from all these tax increases. It isn't to cover the over 40 million that will still be without health insurance. The Obamacare proposals violate the constitution and one by one at someone other than your expense they will fall in the courts.
>> Tjp
Great Joel, and you can continue to live in your parents basementand get health care without ever having to grow up and get a job.
>> Mike
As to feeling bad about collecting social security and medicare? If they were privatized and invested conservatively over the average workers lifetime, they'd retire a multi-millionaire. Instead under the careful supervision of the government the program faces bankruptcy where current workers retirement depends not on what they have paid into social security, but on what some future generation pays into social security. The money you pay in to the fund today gets paid out rather quickly to current retirees. You have no money in the social security fund. You have a promise of future money that can be negated by law at any time.
>> Tjp
The Democratic machine of zero transparency pushed this scam of the century into the American sector. While you sleep your civil liberties are eroding, your taxes increasing higher, the demographics of citizenry changing for third world and Islamic demands, more police powers over your life. This illegitimate elected official has an agenda to socialize us and strip rights away; once the public wake up and rise up he and the ghetto wife will flee to another country. This country is pushed towards a civil conflict whether it's legal, physical or moral..something will break.
>> blah blah
This is in response to Joel. Why not just insure the people who have no insurance and leave the rest of us alone. This is so stupid and complicated and so un-American.
>> Jim C. \
Hey, Margie. Those people you speak of are not my dependents. I did not beget them. I stopped at 2 children because that is all I felt I could support. Now you want me to support every Tom, Dick, and Harry that walks in the door? Sorry, I have my own bills to take care of, and my own set of problems. Keep your hands out of my wallet.
>> ImBigMo
Obamacare is as bad a proposal as Clinton's healthcare proposal was, only Obama and his blind followers spent a legislative year pushing it through into law at the expense of needed regulations and laws being considered at a time when creation of new jobs was vastly more important than any provision of this healthcare law.
>> Tjp
This is more than socialization. This is frightening. This must be repealed now.
>> Belleburgh Friday, January 14, 2011 9:39 PM Report Comment
The House of Representatives is set to vote to repeal this disastrous healthcare bill next Wednesday, January 19th. Obamacare was created and passed for one reason: to drive every American citizen into a public option health care system that will ration health care. If the House of Representatives cannot repeal Obamacare, it will bankrupt our nation. It will be the end of freedom in America. If the government can force you to buy health care insurance, it can force you to buy anything. It can also take anything away from you that it wants in the name of health care. America is at a crossroad. Pray for our nation today.
>> Scott
E X E M P T P A Y E R S MUSLIMS ARE E X E M P T from Obama c a r e because it is against their religion!!!!!!
>> Bill
It is very simple: insure everyone to bring down costs. I have little respect for those who wish to settle for the status quo system of an inefficient and wasteful system, and admire those like President Obama who are trying to fix the dire healthcare crisis. This bill is not perfect and I don't agree with everything that is in it, but it is progress towards a more affordable system for our children.
>> Andrew
No more pre-existing conditions for children not adults and children already could stay on most plans to age 26 so what it is, is a plan to make insurance companies go out of business cause they are no longer allowed to cap the expenses at 5 million and have to cover all the mental and nervous as well as drugs and alcohol treatment. This will drive rates up extremely high for all. It also will result in rationed healthcare. Good job huh Joel? All so we have to install a government option so the government can control us cause a few elites know better than we do. Joel people like you should move to France or Canada so you can have your healthcare rationed dont force this crap down our throats we dont deserve it!
>> Cheryl
Robert we couldnt do anything cause the house was controlled by the commiecrats for the last 4 years and they would not entertain any of the ideas that our people came up with so dont say we didnt do anything, we couldnt do anything. We had good ideas and I work in the industry yet the ideas were thrown out for the lousy ideology of the brother of William Ayers and John Podesta, Van Jones and the other card carrying self-admitted communists that make up the Appollo Alliance that wrote the healthcare and stimulas bills. Look it up oh thats right you commiecrats refuse to do any research you listen to staterun media and think its the gospel truth.
>> Cheryl
I don't see what the problem is. Obama said it would be paid for. He just never said how. Doesn't seem any different then the bank bailouts, the wars, and all the humanitaian aid we give out. If these things were paid for we wouldn't have debt as a country. How obamacare has managed to get this far by violating law is beyond me. What happened to equal protection? Why is mcdonalds treated differently then any other business? How do you exempt one company and not the next?
>> James Woods
We didn't need this. We could have made a law that insurance companies could not have caps. Though,why do we need one? Most policies cover up to 1 million. We could have made a single law to sell insurance across state boundaries. Republicans tried to put through these enhancements but the Dems. wouldn't let them because they cared more about politics than the people. This was nothing but a grab to nationalize every sector of our country. That's what Fabian socialists do.
>> Karen
From experience: We have been health insurance brokers for the past 8 years, building a business for our family and our future. That business is now gone. We are losing our home. We have always paid for our own health insurance as self-employed people. Obamacare has destroyed what we have worked night and day to build, our own business. I have helped hundreds of individuals, self-employed people and small business owners with coverage over the years. Fortunately, we are not too old and we can start over with a lot of sweat and tears. Many cannot. People who support this bill are ignorant of what it really does. You can't fix stupid.
>> Paul
Repeal this insane, Marxist redistribution of wealth bill! Barry needs to be a 1 term president before he destroys this country!
>> Michael
Andrew, you libtard, I have long since paid for my children and grandchildren. Why should I pay for yours? My money is not yours to spend, nor is it the governments to spend. I'll keep my money, you keep the change..
>> Tony Friday, January 14, 2011 10:28 PM Report Comment
If you failed to buy house insurance, and it burns to the ground, should you be able to go and get insurance after the fact and have the insurance company pay for your loss? The pre-existing condition is going to cost the rest dearly. How can anyone be expected to pay for someone else's problem...who never contributed in the first place? This is not an equal world and it cannot be legislated to be equal.
>> Jason
Right, insure everyone to bring down the costs. The government who can't keep its own finances in order is now opening up a health care business. And what do you think will be the long term result? Just look at the post office, social security, the list goes on. All these services are just a shell now, and it's a matter of time before they belly up. And you trust them in healthcare business? Borrowing is their model, and we can only borrow from China and other countries for so long. And if you take into account all the interest that will need to be paid for all the borrowed money required to fund this constitutionally illegal program, it will cost "everyone" (to use your words) a hell of a lot more than what we're paying now!
>> Obama Care = Welfare
The above comment was directed to Andrew. And let's not forget, more government programs = more opportunity for corruption... so while we have to repay another country for all this borrowed money (+ interest) for substandard health care (that a majority of Americans reject... look at the last election), Chicago style politics will kick in and somebody's going to get a kickback, if they haven't already. Sounds like a *loose* *loose* (and *loose* more) proposition to me... Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme style. BTW, did Obama used to hang out with Bernie? The reason I ask is I'm wondering where he got this idea : )
>> Obama Care = Welfare
There will be "death Panels." no doubt about it. There is not an endless supply of money to cure everything on everyone. Just common sense. There is only so much "skin in the game."
>> Mark
I like the comments regarding pre-existing, especially from those who clearly haven't a clue. A pre-existing condition clause applies when you have had no prior coverage or a lapse in coverage, and I think that is pretty legit. I work my full time job, pay a ridiculous amount for health insurance, and I prefer it that way. I want options. I want to choose my doctor. I don't want to wait 2 hours in his office while he sees the same 4 munchausen syndrome-hypochondriacs before me, who are probably there every other week. As it stands now, physicians are allowed to choose their patients and the insurances they will accept. I think the level of care will drop once that right has been taken from them.
>> Barbara
WELL FOLKS WELCOME TO THE WELFARE STATE WHERE THE WORKING CLASS GETS TO PAY FOR ALL THE FREELOADERS.
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